Northern Sold
12:45 Thu Jul 30
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Dont think O'Donnell is dead... pretty sure he does a bit of commentrary?
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stirlinghammer
12:45 Thu Jul 30
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Sold...I remember that series v the paks in 1978 iirc...to be fair you or me could have got those figures as the Pak team was decimated by the packer series...it was pretty much a team below county standard.
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Northern Sold
12:43 Thu Jul 30
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Yeah I'll go along with that Stirling ... that WI team is the greatest test side I have ever seen
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stirlinghammer
12:43 Thu Jul 30
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I admit I prefered watching imrans bowling action above all other bowlers ...as you say it developed through many stages and no doubt perfected in the county and shield games...
Was it Simon o donnell who had great potential but died at a young age?
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12:43 Thu Jul 30
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I don't know about the best of all time because none of us know who will be playing in the future.
Anyway up till now no player matches Gary Sobers imho.
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Northern Sold
12:41 Thu Jul 30
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In his later years for sure... saying that I remember his first test wicket was a massive long hop played on by Greg Chappell (IIRC?). Like I said between 77 and 80 he was magnificent with the ball... never saw Bedser so Beefy was the best quick swing bowler I had seen ... rem' a 8 for he got at Lords v pakistan and have never seen swing like it
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stirlinghammer
12:40 Thu Jul 30
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Mate, on their day all of the 80s all rounders were match winners...botham ashes performance will probably never be matched.
The 80s saw some bowling and batting legends and anything archived in that era surpasses other eras in my humble opinion....the back drop being the great windies pace attack.
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Athletico Easthamico
12:36 Thu Jul 30
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Would it be fair to say Botham had the knack of getting batsmen out with some crap bowling?
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Hammer and Pickle
12:34 Thu Jul 30
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I don't think there will be anything like the Botham Ashes series in my time.
It felt like the whole country had cought it's breath.
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VirginiaHam
12:27 Thu Jul 30
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We could get into Truemanisms.....there was a great story about slipping in the pile of shit someone else left. Either way........
I think Botham won the odd series (or two) but Khan went through multiple changes to get to be a true nasty bowler. He took ownership as captain, in a side that will be forever volatile and fluctuating.
He gave the world bottle tops and reverse swing.....huge contribution to the game today.
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Northern Sold
12:11 Thu Jul 30
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Liked a big backside on his bowers did Fred
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Hammer and Pickle
12:09 Thu Jul 30
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Anyway, when Trueman said Botham had the right bum you could just hear the ambient silence over the airwaves.
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Northern Sold
12:09 Thu Jul 30
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Stirling... dont forget Botham's back injury... it took away his most potent weapon (his out swinger)... had to remodel himself as a bowler... agree though Beefy was never a skipper (altough he done Ok at Somerset)
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stirlinghammer
12:04 Thu Jul 30
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Sold, some good stats here, Khan comes out on top....plus he had the best hair and looks....actually throw in his captaincy and I think he more than edges it. Botham was useless as captain...plus imran lost a few years at his peak with injury.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/484478.html
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MrCrowmanSir
11:59 Wed Jul 29
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Beefy.
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Northern Sold
11:54 Wed Jul 29
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VirginiaHam 3:47 Wed Jul 29
Like I said... it was never about averages with Beefy... it was about doing the extraordinary ...
I prefer the stats of
Botham 14 test 100's
Khan 6 test 100's
Botham 27 x 5 wicket hauls
Khan 23 x 5 wicket hauls
That's what wins you test matches
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Takashi Miike
11:03 Wed Jul 29
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His last tour with the West Indies was to Australia and New Zealand in 1968-69. Nurse took some time to find his best form in Australia; like many of his team-mates he struggled with John Gleeson's unorthodox bowling and Garth McKenzie's ability to move the ball early in the innings.[26] In the fifth and final Test of the series at Sydney Nurse scored a second innings 137 but was unable to prevent Australia winning the match by 382 runs.[27] During this series Nurse, annoyed by some events on the tour, advised the West Indies Cricket Board that he no longer wanted to be considered for selection in future West Indies teams. Sobers claimed that Nurse had told him earlier that "the West Indies will never throw him away, he will get rid of them first".[28] Sobers, his captain, told Nurse he was a required player for the coming tour of England but Nurse felt he couldn't change his mind.[28]
Nurse continued on to New Zealand where he was the "outstanding performer" for the West Indies, scoring 826 runs on the tour at an average of 91.8.[29] In the first Test, Nurse made a chancy but exciting innings of 168; a "brilliantly sustainted exhibition of strokeplay".[26] Wisden stated that "although making many magnificent shots" Nurse had some luck as there were "many mis-hits which fell just clear of fieldsmen and three times all but played on".[30] Nurse went public with his desire to leave international cricket at the end of the tour before the third and final Test at Lancaster Park.[29] He finished his Test cricket career in Christchurch in style with an innings of 258—his highest score in Tests. Batting in very poor light Nurse "punished the New Zealand pace bowlers with superb drives off the back foot" in an innings described by Wisden as a "magnificent display of aggressive but responsible batting" featuring 35 fours and one six.[31] Nurse's innings was the highest score by a cricketer in his final Test innings and his 558 runs at an average of 111.60 for the Test series is still a record for the highest average for a player's final Test series (minimum 3 Tests).[32]
After his Test cricket career finished, Nurse continued playing cricket in Barbados, both at club level and in the West Indies first-class cricket competition.[33][34] His last first-class match was for Barbados against the touring New Zealanders in 1972 where he scored 76 and a duck.[35] Watching him play in local cricket in Barbados in later years, Gary Sobers described his early retirement as "a waste". Another commentator claimed Nurse's retirement "on the threshold of a really great career" denied the West Indies of "a run maker who could have taken them unscathed into the 1970s."[26] Nurse managed and coached the Barbados team in the 1990s and was a respected member of the Barbados Cricket Association board. He also served as head coach of the Barbados National Sports Council.[34]
My aim was always to play for Barbados and the West Indies, and having achieved this I was satisfied. Life has been good and I must say I'm happy, I played for my people and they showed me great respect.
—Seymour Nurse, [34]
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Far Cough
11:00 Wed Jul 29
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Anyone remember a Windies player called Seymour Nurse, Sobers said he could have been one of the best but he quit the game early for some reason?
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VirginiaHam
10:49 Wed Jul 29
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Sorry, we were 18, I just had no idea what I was doing.
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VirginiaHam
10:48 Wed Jul 29
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I played against Kepler Wessels. I bowled at him when I was utter piss (he's the same age as me but I was very uncertain of myself, trying to find an identity) and just got hammered everywhere. It was a hard day because I looked like a cub player (no free gear) and then got whacked around the place.
KW looked like a free scoring batman yet as soon as he played international cricket he became this careful, grind your arse to death.
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Takashi Miike
10:47 Wed Jul 29
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desmond haynes too, amazing squad of players
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